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February 3, 2010

Another Example of Why our Health Care Just Needs Some Tweaking, Not an Overhaul

Filed under: Sick and Tired — Trever Bierschbach @ 11:22 am
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So, this is kinda funny cause just the other day I had a conversation with some lady that did not believe people in other countries had a problem with their socialist health care model.  She actually said she talks to people all over the world and they are fine with it.  I gave her the link to all the news reports for the last few years about how socialized health care sucks, but as usual she probably didn’t read it, just put her fingers in her ears and covered her eyes, just like the left is doing right now.  Despite an overwhelming majority of Americans that want more specific reform instead of a complete overhaul, they consistently quote an NBC poll which still has half the country opposed to their plan (someone forgot to tell them that NBC is owned by a presidential adviser).  Despite a Republican winning a seat in Massachusetts, despite some non-partisan election buffs saying that as many as 72 democrat seats could be lost, they still want to push it through.

How much you want to bet they will down play the fact that Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is coming here, to the U.S. for heart surgery?  Who knows how they will spin this, but fact is if he stayed in Canada and had the procedure done he would have to wait up to 180 days, and with the recent failure of their health care system botching breast cancer screenings, I think he feels a little more confident in our system.  They can lie all they want, they can spew out the most skewed numbers, from the most biased sources, but the market doesn’t lie.  People who can afford to, come here, from all over the world, to get treatment.  Many of them come here and spend their own money, instead of getting the treatment for free elsewhere.

Ask yourself this question, about anything the government is offering.  When have you ever been offered something for free, or supplied by the government (taxpayer dollars), that wasn’t mediocre at best, and just plain garbage at worst?  Who wants mediocre health care?  Well, I know the answer to that one, lazy people.  People who don’t want to work for what they have, people who would rather have something that is less than the best, as long as it is free.



  1. Wow, just wow. Every American who’s not rich or enrolled in Medicare/Medicare is one serious illness or injury away from bankruptcy. That’s the “health care system” we have.

    Comment by rmwarnick — February 3, 2010 @ 4:58 pm | Reply

    • Oops, that was supposed to say “Medicare/Medicaid.”

      Comment by rmwarnick — February 3, 2010 @ 4:59 pm | Reply

  2. Really? Just had a major injury in my family, not wealthy, actually on unemployment right now, and we are fine. My father had non-hodgkins lymphoma a number of years ago, working class, not wealthy. Not only did they make it through fine financially, he has been in remission for years. Their insurance didn’t drop him, nor did his rates shy rocket. Your statement cannot be backed up by anything resembling fact. It is a talking point, and even if it were true there are a lot of ways to fix it that don’t involve turning the best health care system in the world into something that resembles Canada or Britain.

    Comment by disgruntledpatriot — February 3, 2010 @ 6:57 pm | Reply

  3. Let me get this straight. You have no employer-based health insurance, you’re on the individual market, and they didn’t raise your rates after a major claim? You’re lucky, but that’s anecdotal. If your annual claims top $35,000, the rescission rate is around 50 percent. In addition, a lot of people have policies with high deductibles and co-pays– junk insurance.

    Glenn Beck says we have the best health care system in the world, but he didn’t always say that (video link).

    Comment by rmwarnick — February 3, 2010 @ 8:13 pm | Reply

  4. Yes you heard right, and contrary to what you are told our rates haven’t doubled in the last 5 years either. Barely gone up at all.

    Sure Glenn had one bad experience at one bad hospital. Doesn’t change the fact that people come here from all over the world to get treated. As you said, Glenn’s experience is anecdotal so it isn’t really evidence is it?

    Comment by disgruntledpatriot — February 3, 2010 @ 8:23 pm | Reply

  5. Like I say, you’re lucky. I work for a small company, and after a couple of pregnancies and one operation the health insurance provider jacked up the rates. We had to find a new plan. Then it happened again the next year. Each time we switched to avoid the most punishing rate hike, the premiums, co-pays and deductibles still went up.

    That’s my anecdote. Health care premiums doubled in the last ten years, and are expected to double again by 2020.

    Comment by rmwarnick — February 4, 2010 @ 12:11 am | Reply

  6. Oh I believe it happens, but I believe the solution to that very problem is more competition. In most states you have 5-10 insurance companies to choose from. There are more than 1400 around the company, and even more around the world. If you could choose from all of them instead of just a few they would lower prices to compete with each other.

    Look, all of us want reform. All of us want lower prices, but you can’t deny the problems that exist in countries that already have the kind of system congress is trying to push, it’s in their new everyday about failed procedures, lack of testing, high mortality rates from prostate cancer because of lack of early screenings, procedures canceled because of cost.

    We all want reform, but what the majority wants, according to every poll except the NBC poll (which isn’t surprising considering their owner sits on the president’s advisory board), is something sensible that doesn’t roll the dice with a huge portion of our economy. The democrats plan doesn’t start until 2014 anyway. If thousands are dying and going bankrupt like they claim why wait 4 years to implement it? If they are really concerned about lives and financial survival why not now? If we have to pass it so fast, why are they waiting to put it in place? What people would like to see, from both sides of the aisle is incremental change, starting with things that make sense. Things that cost very little and don’t put our fragile economy on the line.

    The republican plan, the one that the democrats keep lying about and saying never existed, had a cost of about 60 billion dollars. It would have opened up competition across the board, eliminated preexisting condition exclusion, and included TORT reform, just to name a few. And they wanted to enact it now. No pork projects, no tax hikes, no bribes for senators, no government control. I am not saying it’s perfect either, but at least it could be tried, all for a measly cost of 60 billion dollars, and if it doesn’t do enough in 5 or 10 years then they can do more, but at least it isn’t the behemoth that is floating around in congress right now.

    That behemoth includes higher taxes for lots of things, which will effect all of us, and break the President’s promise of not raising taxes on the middle class. Their preexisting condition exclusion clause allows insurance companies to put those people in a high-risk pool and charge up to three times what everyone else pays, so again people might not be able to afford insurance because of preexisting conditions. The current plan has a mandate, that is not only unconstitutional, but has no teeth. It would be cheaper to pay the fine, and since I can get insurance anytime I want under their plan, just buy insurance when I get sick. The fines for small businesses may put many under, up to 7500 per employee if even one doesn’t get insurance? Do they really think that a company with only a handful of employees can afford those kind of fines if one of their workers decides they would rather pay the fine instead paying for insurance?

    And, the kicker, the two things that should have you just as mad about this as I am. According to the CBO this monster will break the two most basic promises they fed us about health care reform. It will not insure everyone, there will still be many millions uninsured, and it will raise premiums, especially on the younger people. This current bill, in both houses, is a joke, and an example of what is wrong with our congress. They need to get back to the days of doing business by the numbers, looking at cost, and for our sake passing bills that make a difference.

    Something to chew on…the highway bill. The piece of legislation that had an effect on the entire country, every state, every citizen, felt from coast to coast and had the most sweeping change on our modern lives, was 29 pages. No pork, no special projects, no bribes, no side deals, just a bill. That is the kind of work we need to start seeing again.

    Comment by disgruntledpatriot — February 4, 2010 @ 6:30 am | Reply

  7. I actually agree with you that lobbyist-written bills, particularly the Senate health bill, are not the way to go.

    Can we agree on a simple bill that takes away the health insurance industry’s anti-trust exemption?

    Comment by rmwarnick — February 4, 2010 @ 12:20 pm | Reply

  8. Oh yes, that would be a good start. I would like to insure that not only do customers get a fair shake, but so should the companies. There has to be a balance maintained so that a fair product is offered for a fair price, just like in all other businesses.

    Comment by disgruntledpatriot — February 4, 2010 @ 12:48 pm | Reply

  9. ST. JOHN’S, N.L. -Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is rightfully getting cooked alive in the comments section of many websites for his own choosing to head to the States for medical care. Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams has left the province for heart surgery , but his office wouldn’t whether it will be done in Canada or the United States. Spokeswoman Elizabeth Matthews didn’t disclose the details of the procedure or say exactly when or where it will occur. “I can confirm that Premier Williams did leave the province this morning and will be undergoing heart surgery,” she said in an email. And next we find out he went to the US. What message does this act send to ordinary Canadians?-Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams do you know something the rest of us don’t?


    The rich Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador is rightfully being accused of having a double standard, not being a great example as well, claiming concern for Canadians and the people of his province, he clearly now does everything it takes to stay alive in the American health system and not in the Canadian one even. And when he is rightfully criticized for this his supporters demand privacy, but a person in public office does not get privacy and he already knew that when he took his office. If this senior government official — one who arguably knows all the ins-and-outs of the province’s health care — doesn’t trust his own health-care system that he administers, or if he also doesn’t want to wait in line like everyone else, it says something important about his health care. Now this head of a Canadian provincial government has made his judgment: American health care is superior to Canada’s because he did too little to change it as well.. And in seeking out U.S. medical expertise, the Premier bypassed renowned and elite cardiac-care units in Toronto , Ottawa, Montreal. And by exiting as he did (sans explanation), he succeeded in rekindling the smouldering sources of angst that dog Canada’s health system: the quality of care, wait times and the nature of the choices available to those with means and those without as well..

    While the rich, powerfull, influential get special medical treatment.. and what about the rest? Just over one-third of Canadians live too far away from a specialized hospital to get the best available treatment for a heart attack, suggests a new study.


    Comment by thenonconformer — February 6, 2010 @ 2:52 am | Reply

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